Any chance you could present the tables like you did last season, they’re aren’t convenient to compare in this set-up.
Sorry, they* not they’re.
Would really like to see these different decisions (good and bad) coupled to each referee to see if there are some really good refs and also those which make too many mistakes.
[...] certainly seems that the Liverpool manager has a point; independent referee assessment website Debatable Decisions, which monitors every Premier League match, shows that the Reds currently have the worst [...]
You guys do a good job with this site, and I think everybody appreciates it, but as an added aspect of analysis do you think you could put together another table that only shows penalty decisions? Those seem to be the most critical decisions (with the possible exception of red cards) so it would be interesting to see a table that can tell us which teams are getting the benefit of the decisions regarding penalties for and against.
Same as last year. Liverpool are suffering and have suffered most from ref decisions. Makes me sick….
You guys should try get your tables shown on MOTD2 alternative table feature.
I think it’d be something they could come back to every 8 games or so.
Great job anyway,
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This is all nonsense. Referees are never wrong, it’s a basic rule of the game.
It appears QPR is no better off in the real world of PL, even though they are top of the decision league..bummer
Just discovered your site after the Chelsea – Man Utd game. (i’m looking forward to that analysis). Has there been more questionable decisions at the start of a season? Or just seem that way because of more scrutiny with advances in technology and social media?
Great site and the tables are a great idea, but what do the 3 For and Against columns in the Decisions Table represent?
eh? who else is koba? good point mind
Oh look, another cryarsing alternative table that favours Liverpool by arbitrarily picking what decisions should have counted whilst leaving out various other game changing decisions. I wonder when the Liverpool fans crying will stop?
Oh dear you lot really are taken in by all this crap aren’t you? Keep on giving Brenda.
I have a sneaky suspicion that this website was created and is run by Liverpool fans. Who else is paranoid enough?
Look at previous seasons and then say they’re Liverpool fans, no Liverpool fan would say man utd deserved to win the league!
According to their final table according to decisions last season United should have won.. no Liverpool fan would manipulate data to make United look good :)
I run the site, i’m a Manchester United fan. We have one Liverpool fan in the group of judges, a Chelsea fan and a Sunderland fan. Sorry to burst your bubble, witchsmeller.
Love how Demba Ba’s handball goal against Reading hasn’t been accounted for!!
Lol QPR, Villa and Newcastle are near the top of the decisions table and they’re still shtttttt.
So 3 of Liverpools draws should have been wins. Swansea, Everton there were wrongly disallowed goals…but what was the 3rd? City/Newcastle/Stoke/Sunderland/Chelsea? Some penalty that wasn’t given?
You are not still reflecting the benefit United are getting from referees decision. In my opinion they grabbed nine points this season (against LFC, Chelsea and Fullham) for free and hence there position need to be further down.
Abiyot, I replied to your previous e-mail and explained that you have only taken into consideration decisions in Manchester United’s favour and have ignored all of the decisions that have gone against them.
This is a great site and is useful in dispelling a lot of arguments with idiot Man Utd haters who just keep shouting at the top of their voices.
People like Abiyot are absolute idiots who are blinded by their hatred and can’t see that decisions also go against Man Utd. It evens out over the season!
Is there an explanation for the three columns and how you end up with the final figure. EG Man United F = 12 and A = 8 but total is2?
[...] the help of the website Debatable Decisions who have grouped decisions that went for or against a big team and produced Debatable decisions [...]
Liverpool have surely been luckless , so many draws that could have been wins but the decisions ruined it al
Do you really believe all this rubbish you spout?
Hang on, there is an error, Liverpool accordint to the tables has -9 points, but is listed as -6 points.
[...] As Liverpool are currently 19th in the division for ‘decisions’ difference (with their tally of five four but eleven against) I was keen to see the breakdown. [...]
Why all these comments about Liverpool? It shows Everton have been worse treated!
Ssshh that’s not what they want to see though
Everton top of the Most Screwed League, with Liverpool running a close second. It’s like been back in the glory days of the ’80s.
Thanks for the referee breakdown last week as I asked for in a previous message. Some of the referees ought to be asking questions as to their real capacity to ref et top level. Surprising that our so called elite refs seem to be making most of the bad decisions but this might be because they get the sensitive matches with a higher level of match rhythm and high levels of engagment.
I for one do not belive there is a bias among the reviewers on this site. The problem though is that the decisions beeing ruled on seem randomly selected to me… Living in Norway I have access to all the games and let me tell You there are PLENTY of debatable decisions not mentioned on this site! It’s the decisions BBC, SKYSPORT and the rest of the media choose to focus on that are beeing reviewed… What about the Media bias? As we all know they highlight things one player or team do, while if another player or team do the same they do not pick up on it!
What would you suggest we do about that?
I’m not sure where you’re getting your info, but good topic.
I needs to spend some time learning more or understanding more.
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Why are spurs second in te decisions table? To the left it says they have 3 for 1 against. That’s a net benefit of 2 and you somehow have 5 written down
[...] to date, when they have averaged one every 6.9 league games in the previous ten seasons, and the Debatable Decisions website suggests that Liverpool have lost eleven points through incorrect refereeing calls and should at [...]
[...] profligacy is the main factor, besides their incredible misfortune with refereeing decisions, behind the ineffectiveness of their current style. For this wasteful [...]
Your pro-Liverpool and anti-Everton bias is really beginning to show now… and your lack of consistency throughout the season makes you as culpable as the officials you are finding fault with.
That’s one of the worst attempts at trolling I’ve ever seen.
It seems like you guys have stop to update it, why?
You guys looking like you know what you are doing, I love it so far.
Good job putting this together, but it would be nice to see reqular updates. The more publicity this gets the more likely bad decisions would really “even out” over the season.
what your website does not show is the impact that suspensions that have to be served .because of incorrectly issued red or yellow cards.have,
That would be so difficult to quantify. If you have any suggestions we’ll happily take them on board.
These tables are without a doubt the most deluded thing I’ve seen. Liverpool should be in 4th? Site is run by someone from RAWK I think.
Site is run by a Manchester United fan. We have Sunderland and Chelsea fans on the decisions panel. Unlucky, DD.
Liverpool’s revised points total includes three added because of Suarez’ disallowed
‘goal’. Onside but still not a goal.
Even so, there are probably many points re-allocated to other clubs which could be queried.
I see Everton is still on 5 losses in the ‘Real table’, even though they have had two penalties at Reading, where they lost 2-1. I’m assuming you count them as goals otherwise there’d be no point in recording them as wrong decisions. I assume that you spotted them!
Edit.’ SHOULD have had two penalties at Reading”.
Notice that Liverpool and Chelsea has had a lot taken from them, while Man Utd is almost nullified, and Man City and Arsenal have gained.
Liverpool has Suarez with a horrible reputation, a manager that has openly complained that his team suffers in GENERAL. Chelsea falsely accused a ref of being racist. None of these has really been criticised by other teams.
Man Utd has some with a bad rep, some with a good, the manager complains now and then at certain situations, but never in general. They often get complains from other teams managers.
Man City differs a bit in rep, like Utd, but mostly pretty good. The manager has about the same level of complains as Utd, altho less specific and more in general. They often get complains from other teams.
Arsenal doesn’t really have any players with a bad rep (altho some might be starting to gain one), the manager doesn’t say too much, other teams doesn’t say too much. Arsenal are like pussycats.
Now, this is not entirely accurate, but how I feel about it right now. Not sure if you agree, but personally I see clear correlations between attitude and loss/gain when it comes to some of these big clubs. People who have more knowledge of the smaller clubs might have some inputs. Refs are supposed to be neutral, but if I’m on to something here, the attitude of a club obviously have consequences to how they’re treated by refs.
[...] all contentious decisions and present a Utopian ‘what-if’ scenario, have concluded that refereeing decisions have benefited some teams like Arsenal at the cost of others like Liverpool <edit : I’m certain Divraj is going to [...]
Why don’t you update?
It would be nice to have an update..
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The problem with these websites is that they are so partisan. There is also an Arsenal one, that clearly shows the exact opposite of what you show, that Arsenal are the most hard done by team in the league!
I am just as critical of their “analysis”, because I think they miss the point where refereeing is concerned.
99% of refereeing decisions are justifiable within the rules. There is plenty of scope within the referees remit to affect and change the game, for one side, or the other. You can’t say that a referee was wrong, when so often the rules are written based on a referees opinion.
A lot of decisions you categorically state are correct, or wrong, are marginal in the extreme.
The real problem is that so many of the referees have a bias toward a style of play; if you are Arsenal who play such a different style of football to everyone else, you re going to get wildly inconsistent decisions.
Similarly Suarez, who is a very unusual player, is going to be treated dreadfully inconsistently by referees.
The real problem though is that England continues to want referees to officiate games and allow a much higher amount of contact, particularly against players in possession of the ball, but also in loose ball situations, than allowed by the rules, and by referees elsewhere in the world.
It does make games more exciting, but it also increases injuries, and makes it much harder to officiate games, where there is a very fine line between a dangerous challenge and a, “Good hard jolly old English challenge”.
Anywhere else in Europe, Stoke would have finished with about 7 men in their game against Arsenal last week-end. Discussing this game, or any other like it, in the context of the FIFA laws is pointless, as the referees don’t use them in England.
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